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Postby tsian » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:16 pm

i thought i heard there are 2 guarenteed debates.

I could be wrong then.... I was under the impression that there were no set debates.
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Postby shahmask » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:42 pm

yeah, i believe there was supposed to be 3, but bush said he will not attend the second one. that one is supposed to have been an "open forum" type debate.
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Postby Neerowolf » Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:16 pm

So basically, bush won't fight kerry face to face?
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Postby tsian » Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:43 pm

Ahh... well thats a shame. Out of curiosity does Bush ever go onto talk radio with open calls?
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Postby shahmask » Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:46 am

he has had "open fourm" kind of things, u know, the ask the audience. but the audience is always very republican. they actually screen the people that are in the audience. but, no, i dont think he's actually talked to a critic. it's not like blair in the house of commons. my god! they all attack blair and he just attacks back with facts and numbers and such. it's an amazing sight. something bush, and probably not clinton too extremely well either, would ever be able to do.
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Postby tsian » Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:27 am

Yes. That would be like Canada. There are advantages to having the leader work in the house.... they actually have to defend themselves and their policies.
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Postby chaotic century » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:30 pm

i will try to watch a speech or two if i can.u r very true tho. to have an opinion on something u must first kno both sides of it. heh
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Postby TerraFrost » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:30 pm

to have an opinion on something u must first kno both sides of it.


not really - you can have a prejudicial opinion if you just know about one side, heh.

of course, a good opinion, i do believe, requires one be familiar with both (or all, as the case may be) sides of the argument.
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Postby tsian » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:08 pm

I would say that the mark of a person who holds an opinion, yet knows both sides, is that they are quite able to make a compelling arguement for the side they disagree with.
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Postby TerraFrost » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:20 pm

that seems like a reasonable assumption :)

i'd extend upon it by saying that if you can argue against the side you disagree with (as opposed to arguing *for* the side you *do* agree with) that you probably are well versed about the other side.

i mean, you can't counter a point without first knowing it, heh.
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Postby Neerowolf » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:29 pm

About the open debate--

I heard they were banning counter-attacks, A.K.A. when one bashes the other on what they just said, and they were making all these rules that would level the playing field for bush. Kerry is a tremendous debater, that's how he became the senator of Massachusetts.
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Postby TerraFrost » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:53 pm

Bush can't be all that bad a debator, either - he defeated Al Gore in the 2000 debates (they did have debates during the 2000 election, didn't they?) and ann richards when running for texas governorship.
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Postby Rapscallion » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:24 pm

Gore was the real winner, remember?
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Postby TerraFrost » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:39 pm

that's debatable (bush would, for one, debate it, heh), but it does bring up something i hadn't considered - that that which makes a debater a winner during presidential debates isn't necessarily a very good criteria. of course, it is a very democratic criteria, heh.
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Postby shahmask » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:41 pm

hehe:)

the only explanation i can come up with as to why gore isn't our president right now (other than the bad countings in florida) is that some ppl thought he was too stiff (i thought he was an amazing speech writer and a very good debator as well) and that perhaps some of these ppl that care more about someone's (legal) personal life over important things thought he was too close to clinton and the lewinski thing. well, those ppl are paying the price now, i hope!
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