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Earth is a pancake?

Postby Neerowolf » Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:47 pm

Lol, icegaze knows this one. It was a theory about we actually living on a giant pancake, and it was made by this super genius. try to diprove this theory I DARE YOU!

1. We live on a giant pancake, all the vegitation is mold, and we are bacteria.

2. There is no ozone layer, its just a giant piece of blue saran wrap covering the plate the pancakes on.

3. There are no stars, they're glow-in-the-dark stickers on the inside of a giant refridgerator wall. the sun is the light bulb, and its turned on only when some giant beetle opens the door for a snack, but he only opens it for about 5 of our seconds, which, since our time goes a nano-second of its time, it seems like a full day...

Its crazy, but maybe i could put this in the Contest Cooler, seeing as probably none of you can disprove it (if i remember all his comebacks and info)
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Postby Megafrost » Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:15 pm

But what about the radiation from the sun? And why would the planet be warm instead of cold?

Oooo you just wait. Once Giga comes around... :p
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Postby TerraFrost » Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:25 pm

pancakes tend to be flat... something that the earth is not. so how do you explain the fact that shadows can be of different lengths in two different places? or what about how the last thing that ever disappears on the horizon is the tallest thing? further, if the earth were a pancake, then it stands to reason that this pancake would be touching something, lest it be in a gravity free fridge, which would be a pretty darn unique fridge :lila:

anyways... if the earth is a pancake, then shouldn't it, too, be touching the fridge... somewhere?

also... from the earth, the planets in our solar system appear as stars... stars that the space probes have passed. how could we pass glow in the dark stickers?
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Postby Neerowolf » Tue Jul 08, 2003 6:37 pm

mega: Its a broken fridge, and its in the summer. every time he opens the door (the bug) it lets the heat in, making it feel warm. but the beetle gets it fixed fast, and thats winter. (check the time differences)

terra: The pancake IS rounded, its just that theres a one million foot long drop off the end. Its not touching the fridge, its on a plate. The CIA covered that up when the figured it out. They made up stories of magellan and cook. They also framed the pictures of the satelites and lauches in the deserts of new mexico. they used plastic models of planets and what-not.
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Postby TerraFrost » Tue Jul 08, 2003 6:44 pm

at this point, occum's razor kicks in... occum's razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the best. it's far simpler to say that the earth is a spherical mass in space that doesn't directly touch any other "mass" in space then it is to say that it's a massive CIA cover up. one requires a few basic formulaes... the other requires... well, a lot more :lila:
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Postby Neerowolf » Tue Jul 08, 2003 6:48 pm

so? it doesn't mean that it IS a spherical object. you just said its the best explaination, but there can't be 2. so you still haven't disproved it.
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Postby Nyufrost » Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:06 pm

This looks like a job for SuperGiga. I think he is the only one here who can do this. :)

Out of curiousity though, does the pancake have butter or syrup on it?
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Postby Evlfrost » Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:14 pm

I once read a way to prove to an ancient person that the world was round was to take them to the beach and watch ships sail over the horizon. Now if the Earth were flat then the whole ship would get smaller and smaller. But instead since the Earth is round you see the bottom part of the ship disappear first until the last thing you see is the mast.
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Postby TerraFrost » Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:35 pm

so? it doesn't mean that it IS a spherical object. you just said its the best explaination, but there can't be 2. so you still haven't disproved it.


i wasn't trying to disprove it with my last comment - just sorta knock it down :lila:
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Postby Dracofrost » Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:47 am

And if the sun is the light in the fridge, then how come it moves around the sky, eh?
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Postby TerraFrost » Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:06 am

because the light bulb is hanging from a string and is swinging back and forth, like a pendulum :lila:
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Postby Neerowolf » Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:17 am

The bug is tilting the refridgerator trying to fix it. When he does, he closes the door, and it gets cool. darn messed up fridges...
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Postby Gigafrost » Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:05 am

You still haven't explained the moon. I'd say this one is pretty important since the moon reflects light from the sun. the same side of the moon stays lit, to boot, so it's moving around us. It can be totally blocked by the earth. It can totally block the sun. Maybe a tilting fridge *might* have a remote possiblity of explaining the sun but it really screws up any possibility of saving the moon.

In addition, the theory about the fridge tilting doesn't work because the pancake would tilt with the plate which would tilt with the fridge which explained the moving sun, and this doesn't work unless you assume gravity doesn't exist, which we can observe that it does. You see, there would be a point when the plate is tilted enough that we'd feel gravity in a different direction than down to the ground.

Also, certain celestial bodies move independant of the sun. Amature astronomers can see some of the planets fairly clearly without fancy equipment, and those stars move. If you take a time-delayed picture of the sky it also clearly rotates around us.

Also, the sun appears at different heights during the day, a real result of the earth being tilted on its rotational axis. So not only is there the movement of the sun through the day but there's also movement through the seasons.

In addition, we'd be able to see the door to the fridge opening and closing. You can't say it's done too fast because the door is only open for 5 seconds which is a day for us...meaning that relative to us things happening with the door would be in slow-motion.

About the light in the fridge being the source...sunrises and sunsets wouldn't exist. The sun wouldn't be over the edge while there's still light. The light would just suddenly appear around us.

Let's not forget that the cycles are done too perfectly for something such as a beetle to accomplish the same. It's one thing to argue that you can accidently make a day short by a few seconds, but remember that if the beetle is off by half a second then we'd mysteriously lose an hour of daylight. Oh, and you can't even pull daylight saving crap because that stuff repeats on a 365 day basis, which is something that a slow-motion beetle couldn't do.

Also, this beetle would have to be opening and closing the door continuously...no time to fix things or anything. This really screws many of the ideas up.

Finally, beetles can't open fridges. If something is, it is not a beetle. It might look similar to a beetle, but it couldn't be a beetle. It'd end up being a different specie altogether because it'd need to be able to open up a refridgerator. Unless the argument is that the fridge is a beetle-fridge, but that's not what was stated. It was *a* refridgerator.

Also, you could use the suprise principal to show that you have no reason to believe that it'd be something that looks like a beetle to begin with. It could be a cat...a person...a glockmogjibberfish. You see, the suprise principal says that the beetle theory is BS because there's no reason to believe it's a beetle over anything else.

and it was made by this super genius
Who says? Sounds more like a "self-proclaimed genius"...unfortunately, that in itself shows that they're really not a genius.

Okay, I'll walk away now.
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Postby TerraFrost » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:05 am

actually, i think all your efforts are in vain, giga...

the purpose of scientific theories are to make predictions. if a prediction turns out to be false, then the theory is disproven - either one of the deductive steps that the theory took was screwed up, or one of the assertions of that theory was wrong. the theory that we are a pancake, and that a cockroach (perphapes a genetically engineered cockroach) is controlling us can't be used to make predictions, and thusly, it can't be disproven.

for example... if the "sun" were to disappear forever, it could be that the bug died, and never opened the refigerator door again. or it could be that the light burned out, and the bug lives in total darkness, or something. likewise, if the "sun" were to never set, then it could well be that the bug left the door open, or some of the contacts in the fridge went bad. with this theory, you can't really make any predictions. with scientific theory, you can.
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Postby Gigafrost » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:34 am

That's a good point about scientific theories but I disagree about the point that this pancake theory can't be disproven. Sure, it can be changed around when new problems arise but the reason that doesn't work is because the theory contradicts itself afterwards.
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