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The 10 Commandments

Postby Nyufrost » Fri Jun 06, 2003 7:17 am

First, to refresh everyone's memory ...

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

3. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

4. Honour thy father and thy mother.

5. Thou shalt not kill.

6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

7. Thou shalt not steal.

8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

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Some of those are pretty easy to understand and I think I have a good understanding of all but one through four are a bit confusing in the wording so I was wondering if anyone else had any interpretations of them.

I take #1 to mean there must be other gods but have no idea who they are supposed to be. Do we even know about them?

What is taking the name of the Lord in vain? Is that when we make comments like OMG! or Good God! or Jesus Christ! or is it when we swear and say God damn it?

Keeping the Sabbath holy never works for getting out of working on Sundays. I have seen people be turned down for time off for church and employers say things like "so go on Saturday" ... would God punish people who *have* to work on Sundays because they have a mean employer who won't let them off or would he punish the mean employer?

Honor thy father and mother ... I always took this to mean one's physical parents and that it was rather your obligation to do whatever they want you to do regardless of how much you would rather do your own thing. For example, maybe you don't date someone you really like because you know your parents would not approve. Well, it occurs to me that some parents might be warped in their thinking and want their kids to do strange things ... like parents who involve their own kids in kiddie porn ... do they deserve honor? So, perhaps the "father and mother" the bible speaks of is in the holy sense? Holy Father and Holy Mother (Mary) ... ?
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Postby TerraFrost » Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:22 pm

i think 1 is refering to false idols... ie. worshiping zeus over god, which in god's eye, is a false idol (zeus, i mean)

the classic athiest response to 5 is... sure... don't kill others, as long as they're christian, white, blond, blue eyed, etc.

9 and 10 seem redundant...

i think ultra die hard christian groups cite increasing violations of the 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 9th, and perhapes 10th to be why america is going to fall...
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Postby Evlfrost » Fri Jun 06, 2003 11:10 pm

Well the ninth is refering to adultry while the tenth is talking about well envy....
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Postby Nyufrost » Sat Jun 07, 2003 2:11 am

Actually, #6 refers to adultery while #9 refers to lust and #10 refers to envy. ;)

If that is the classic atheist response to #5 then they are quite narrowminded, bitter and racist. When Nicole Brown Simpson, a beautiful blonde white woman, was allegedly murdered by her black husband OJ Simpson, the jury justified letting OJ off by saying something about it being time a black man got a break. Oh but let a white cop shoot a black man during an attempted getaway and here we go with the cries of racism.

So, how exactly does that classic athiest response tie in to reality?
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Postby Gigafrost » Sat Jun 07, 2003 3:11 am

I think what Terra was pointing out is not what they do NOW but rather that christians would still find killing justified or something. I guess the KKK comes to mind. Young, white, christian males lynching black people to death. Somehow this was "okay" or something.
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Postby Nyufrost » Sat Jun 07, 2003 4:44 am

Ahh ... so you think he meant "classic" as in old? I took it to mean standard. It is amazing how differently one word can be seen by several people (that might be a good seperate topic).

I think we will need to wait for Terra to clarify that for us. :)

But, I think *now* that would not be a valid way for them to look at it since there are an increasing number of incidents where crimes against WASPs by minorities go unpunished and sometime deliberately so, as in the case of Reginald Denney, for example.

Does anyone have any comment on what I said about #4?
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Postby TerraFrost » Sat Jun 07, 2003 4:16 pm

i don't really mean classic as in old, persay...

i mean classic as in more... a common athiest stereotype, or something...

and it isn't 100% unjustified - often times people who kill justify their killing with the judeo-christian god - germans did it in WW2, the KKK did it, it happened in the crusades, al queda is doing it, iraq tried to do it, etc, etc, etc..

not that this is represenative of "reality" as a whole, but... then again... neither is the OJ Simspon case... i also wasn't aware that the jury decided to give him a break because he was black - i mean, i think it's quite possible, but... possibility and certainty are two very different things...

But, I think *now* that would not be a valid way for them to look at it since there are an increasing number of incidents where crimes against WASPs by minorities go unpunished and sometime deliberately so, as in the case of Reginald Denney, for example.


i'm not familiar with that case in the slightest, heh, but... something else about my example of being christian, white, blue eyed, blond haired, etc... i did that to make allusions to germany and the aiyran race - ie. what hitler thought was sorta an ideal christian, so to speak... the BIG thing and MOST important thing about what i said is the "christian" part... not the white part. OJ Simpsons religion, i don't think, played any role, what-so-ever in his trials, anyways - his color did. also, this isn't a thread about racism, but one about christianity. and it's not just christians, but all people's of abrahamic religions, really. athiests seem to sorta bunch them all together. whether or not that is fair should probably be a topic best left for another thread, perhapes...
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Postby Javafrost » Sun Jun 08, 2003 6:39 am

Does anyone have any comment on what I said about #4?

Honor thy father and mother ... I always took this to mean one's physical parents and that it was rather your obligation to do whatever they want you to do regardless of how much you would rather do your own thing. For example, maybe you don't date someone you really like because you know your parents would not approve. Well, it occurs to me that some parents might be warped in their thinking and want their kids to do strange things ... like parents who involve their own kids in kiddie porn ... do they deserve honor? So, perhaps the "father and mother" the bible speaks of is in the holy sense? Holy Father and Holy Mother (Mary) ... ?

I don't know what the intent is of the biblical commandment, but I will say that it does not honor anyone to suffer abuse from them. Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.
It is possible to follow one's own path when it conflicts with what your parents want you to do (once you're 18, anyway), and still honor them even if they act like twits, and still be grateful that they gave you physical life. JMO, of course.
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