Were Gil-Galad and Elrond Calaquendi?

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Were Gil-Galad and Elrond Calaquendi?

Postby Tar-Herunole » Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:20 pm

Calaquendi were the Elves that had been in Aman and seen the light of the Trees. But it's also said that All Noldor were Calaquendi... so the question is obvious. Were those Noldor such Gil-Galad and Elrond Calaquendi or Moriquendi?

They were definitely Eldar, but the question is to think if the contdition of Calquendi was or was not hereditary. If we consider that the Calaquendi had some kind of physical "Tree-tan", it doesn't seem the sons of those will have it as well. However, if the Calaquendi were so becuase of what they have learned in Valinor, and the light of the trees is only a myth within the myth, then it would definitely be in the heritage.

The most probable thing however is that the light did have indeed an effect on the spirit, and that's why the calaquendi could move to the "world of spirits" that the Nazgul inhabited

Gandalf was discussing the confrontation with the Nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen with Frodo, Frodo asked if the shining figure he saw was Glorfindel. "Yes," Gandalf replied. "You saw him for a moment as he is on the other side: one of the mighty of the First-born. He is an Elf-lord of a house of princes." A little earlier in the same conversation, Gandalf also noted that Rivendell was home to "the Elven-wise, lords of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas. They do not fear the Ringwraiths, for those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power."


It would seem a contradiction that when Gandalf refers to these Elven Lords, he is actually refering to all Elves except their Lords: Elrond and before Gil-Galad.

My assumption is that the effect on the body and the spirit remains in th sons of the Calaquendi (although may fade) and that they are Calaquendi and High Elves as well.
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Postby TerraFrost » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:05 am

i think you're right. it is said that those who lived in numenor lived extremely long lives due to their proximity to valinor, among other things. the dunedain, however, have never lived in valinor, yet still live really long lives. of course, they're descended from those in who lived in proximity to valinor, just as elrond is descended from those who actually did live in valinor.

also, is it possible that the descendants of the calequendi who haven't, themselves, seen the light of the two trees, would be sorta calequendi / moriquendi hybrids?
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Postby Tar-Herunole » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:46 am

That's what sounds better to me. I guess you could say Cala nad Mori only applies purely to the elves of Cuinivien...

EDIT: Better thought, I would have to add, that the long live of the Dunedain/Numenoreans came from a express gift from the Valar/Eru, not from the mixed blod with the elves (who was only in the family of the Kings) or of the effect of the light of Aman (who actually would have made them go older sooner)

But it was indeed anspiritual property with effects on the physic. That's why when they forgot about Qienya and about the Valar their longevity started to decline, even when their sorcery and technology was greatest (Ar-Pharazon)

In that sense again Terra would be right, and having seen the light of Aman could be an spiritual gift that could be passed to their children (dimming though)
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