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electricity in middle earth?

Postby TerraFrost » Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:21 am

middle earth, as described in the lord of the rings, really doesn't seem uber modern. swords and axes qualify as weapons, there are no synthetic materials, semiconductors, freezers, or anything of the like. however, there is an interesting paragraph in the silmarilian that makes middle earth seem a tad more modern than it actually does seem to be...

Nonetheless for long it seemed to the Númenóreans that they prospered, and if they were not increased in happiness, yet they grew more strong, and their rich men ever richer. For with the aid and counsel of Sauron they multiplied then: possessions, and they devised engines, and they built ever greater ships. And they sailed now with power and armoury to Middle-earth, and they came no longer as bringers of gifts, nor even as rulers, but as fierce men of war.
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Postby Evlfrost » Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:42 am

Yes I have often wondered about the technology of the Numemorians. Consider how a small island could have enough power to strike so much fear into sauron that he doesnt even try. I think that they must have had some sort of technology.
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Postby TerraFrost » Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:23 am

apparently, in the lost road, references are made, by christopher tolkien, to flying machines, which apparently appeard in early drafts of akallabeth: the downfall of numenor (this is also wear the above quote comes from)...

and here's another quote from the lost road and other writtings...

'And behold what hath happened since, step by step, At first he revealed only secrets of craft, and taught the making of many things powerful and wonderful; and they seemed good. Our ships go now without the wind, and many are made of metal that sheareth hidden rocks, and they sink not in calm or storm; but they are no longer fair to look upon. Our towers grow ever stronger and climb ever higher, but beauty they leave behind upon earth. We who have no foes are embattled with impregnable fortresses - and mostly on the West. Our arms are multiplied as if for an agelong war, and men are ceasing to give love or care to the making of other things for use or delight. But our shields are impenetrable, our swords cannot be withstood, our darts are like thunder and pass over leagues unerring. Where are our enemies? We have begun to slay one another. For Numenor now seems narrow, that was so large. Men covet, therefore, the lands that other families have long possessed. They fret as men in chains.


also, what do you mean, when you say sauron didn't even try? try to conquer numenor with orcs, or something? i remember sauron appearing as a fair and wise man who encouraged the numenorians to build temples to melkor and attempt an invasion of valinor. i don't remember him going out of his way not to try something...
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Postby Evlfrost » Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:04 am

Well he didnt try to withstand their force. He knew that he could not beat them with strengh of arms.
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Postby Rao » Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:20 am

no he couldnt, and no army in all ages could. For every warrior was an aragorn, or a legolas, if not more mightier. He knew this, but, when u are that strong, greed and power are ur worst enemies becuz who will stop you? It upsets me that they were stupid, but, they deserved it. Becuz had they not been corrupted, there never would have been a sauron to take over middle earth, or Melkor. Considering as of right now, and in that time, Melkor was having conversations with himself in a deep dark pit he couldnt get out of. So melkor wasnt a problem.
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Postby TerraFrost » Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:59 pm

thinking about it... was numenor mightier in arms than even gondolin? gondolin was the mightest elven city in middle earth, until it fell. many of its inhabitants were descendant from the nobelest elves of all, and indeed, some of its inhabitants even took on balrogs.

in another thread, its sorta argued that men pretty much sucked at making weapons, and that elves pretty much made all the great weapons men used. as mighty as numenor was with its technology, could they be an even match for gondolon?
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Postby Rao » Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:08 am

That would have been a good war.
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